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	<title>Comments on: The Speed Of Gravity &#8211; Why Einstein Was Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: Physics Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Physics Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, Your answer is a contradiction. Didn&#039;t you notice. The author claimed that he speed of gravity is infinite. Then you presented an argument that was in agreement with that conclusion. In a static gravity field the velocity of gravity is infinite. What you said was exactly that. So why did you say he is wrong? You must be confused. Or, perhaps physics is totally confused on this point. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Your answer is a contradiction. Didn&#8217;t you notice. The author claimed that he speed of gravity is infinite. Then you presented an argument that was in agreement with that conclusion. In a static gravity field the velocity of gravity is infinite. What you said was exactly that. So why did you say he is wrong? You must be confused. Or, perhaps physics is totally confused on this point. </p>
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		<title>By: Alfonso Guillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfonso Guillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gravity whether is a force that acts on c. See my works:
http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/gravityisforce.html
http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/Speed_of_gravity.html
http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/velogravtom.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravity whether is a force that acts on c. See my works:<br />
<a href="http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/gravityisforce.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/gravityisforce.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/Speed_of_gravity.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/Speed_of_gravity.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/velogravtom.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alfonsoleonguillen.net/velogravtom.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity

Sorry, but all static fields, not only gravity but electric fields as well, do not &quot;propagate&quot; and therefore do not show light-time delay. Thus, they all point exactly at their sources, so long as the source is in uniform motion, and is not accelerated (if it were accelerated it would radiatve EM or gravity waves, and these DO travel at c, and have a delay). So a particle moving past you with uniform motion has its static electric field and static gravity field pointing right at its instantaneous position, but light and gravity WAVES come from its &quot;retarded&quot; position.   See the  Liénard–Wiechert potential theory of fields from a moving charge to see this in EM. Lorentz invarience guarantees that any uniformly moving charge can be seen in a frame where it is NOT moving, and in that case, it&#039;s static field (no matter how far extended) stops with it. That&#039;s just as true for any static field, so there&#039;s nothing special about gravity.

The Sun is not accelerating enough from the view of the Earth to not look like a uniformly moving gravitational &quot;charge&quot; going past us. Its static gravity and electric fields point right &quot;at&quot; its true position, and there is no aberration for them, or light time delay. However, gravity waves and light will show an aberration, since they are waves, not static fields. So yes indeed, the Earth orbits the point where the Sun IS, not the point where its light originates. Thankfully. 

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<p>Sorry, but all static fields, not only gravity but electric fields as well, do not &#8220;propagate&#8221; and therefore do not show light-time delay. Thus, they all point exactly at their sources, so long as the source is in uniform motion, and is not accelerated (if it were accelerated it would radiatve EM or gravity waves, and these DO travel at c, and have a delay). So a particle moving past you with uniform motion has its static electric field and static gravity field pointing right at its instantaneous position, but light and gravity WAVES come from its &#8220;retarded&#8221; position.   See the  Liénard–Wiechert potential theory of fields from a moving charge to see this in EM. Lorentz invarience guarantees that any uniformly moving charge can be seen in a frame where it is NOT moving, and in that case, it&#8217;s static field (no matter how far extended) stops with it. That&#8217;s just as true for any static field, so there&#8217;s nothing special about gravity.</p>
<p>The Sun is not accelerating enough from the view of the Earth to not look like a uniformly moving gravitational &#8220;charge&#8221; going past us. Its static gravity and electric fields point right &#8220;at&#8221; its true position, and there is no aberration for them, or light time delay. However, gravity waves and light will show an aberration, since they are waves, not static fields. So yes indeed, the Earth orbits the point where the Sun IS, not the point where its light originates. Thankfully. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:sbharris@ix.netcom.com">sbharris@ix.netcom.com</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Anirudh Kumar Satsangi</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2010/05/14/the-speed-of-gravity-why-einstein-was-wrong/#comment-8107</link>
		<dc:creator>Anirudh Kumar Satsangi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Van Fladern has raised highly significant questions.  I am also trying to emphasize for long in my various comments that the speed of gravitational force is infinitely higher as compared to the speed of light on black holes that&#039;s why light can not escape black holes.  In fact black holes are the infinitely condensed ball of gravitational force field .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Fladern has raised highly significant questions.  I am also trying to emphasize for long in my various comments that the speed of gravitational force is infinitely higher as compared to the speed of light on black holes that&#8217;s why light can not escape black holes.  In fact black holes are the infinitely condensed ball of gravitational force field .</p>
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		<title>By: Anirudh Kumar Satsangi</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2010/05/14/the-speed-of-gravity-why-einstein-was-wrong/#comment-8096</link>
		<dc:creator>Anirudh Kumar Satsangi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe


Part - I

There is cosmological evidence for God and the Universe existed before Big Bang please.
Stephen Hawking writes in The Grand Design, “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.” Hawking said the Big Bang was merely the consequence of the law of gravity. In A Brief History of Time, Hawking had suggested that the idea of God or a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
Although Hawking is very close to Truth yet he is not perfect in his views while discarding the role of divine being. I consider the role of eternal gravity uppermost but I strongly differ with Hawking on the role of divine being. I consider Divine Ordainment is the cause of Creation of Universe.
Now I give Radhasoami Faith view of Creation Theory. In Sar Bachan (Poetry) composed by His Holiness Soamiji Maharaj the August Founder of Radhasoami Faith the details of creation and dissolution has been described very scientifically. It is written in Jeth Mahina (name of Hindi moth) in this Holy Book: Only He Himself (Supreme Father)and none else was there. There issued forth a great current of spirituality, love and grace (In scientific terminology we may call this current as gravitational wave). This is called His Mauj (Divine Ordainment). This was the first manifestation of Supreme Being. This Divine Ordainment brought into being three regions, viz., Agam, Alakh, and Satnam of eternal bliss. Then a current emerged with a powerful sound (this was the first Big Bang). It brought forth the creation of seven Surats or currents of various shades and colours (in scientific terminology we may call it electromagnetic waves). Here the true Jaman or coagulant was given (in scientific terminology this coagulant may be called as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force). Surats, among themselves, brought the creation into being.
These currents descended down further and brought the whole universe/multi verse into being i.e. black holes, galaxies etc. were born.
I would like to add further that sound energy and gravitational force current are non polar entity and electromagnetic force is bi-polar. Hence spiritual polarization, if occurred, is occurred in the region of Sat Lok and region below to it only.
Infinite expanse of gravitational force field is the region of dark energy.

In Bible it is written that in the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God; and the Word was God.
According to Radhasoami Faith “Shabd (Word) is the beginning and end of all. The three loks (worlds) and the fourth Lok, all have been created by Shabd.” (Sar Bachan Poetry)

 
Part-II

Here the true Jaman (coagulant) was given. The spirituality coagulated as it were, and Surats (spirit entities), among themselves, brought the creation into being. Thereafter, another Jaman (coagulant) was given. Regions from Agam Lok (Inaccessible Region) to Sat Lok (True Region) were created during the first creational process. That creation is true. That region is eternal. There is no trace of evil and suffering. This was the creation for many Yugas and ages. Then there appeared a dark coloured current
That current appeared like a dark coloured stone set in a white one and was absorbed in the Darshan of True Being. Then there appeared two Kalas i.e. currents (viz. Niranjan and Jyoti) and they together evolved the creation of five Tattwas (elements) four Khans (species, categories of life) and three Gunas (qualities). The three Gunas (qualities) brought about the expansion and proliferation . They created Rishis and Munis (sages and holy men), gods and godly human beings and demons. Egotism then increased much. Niranjan separated himself from the rest, putting the burden of looking after the creation on them. Nobody could know of Niranjan. Even the Vedas referred to Him as Neti Neti (Not this, Not this). They did not get Darshan (Vision) of Niranjan. They made conjectures. Then how can anybody have knowledge of Sat Purush (True Being), Source of Niranjan and all that exists.
Scientifically here Jyoti represent three Fundamental Forces of Quantum Mechanics i.e. electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. NIRANJAN is the fourth Fundamental Force i.e. Gravitation Force. Scientific explanation follows in support of my views.

Part-III

Einstein struggled and failed to formulate this theory, but it has already been shown that at high enough energies electromagnetism and the weak force are the same force known as the electroweak force. It is theorized that if energies are increased even further and neutrinos acquire mass, which has now been fully documented, all the known forces will reduce to the same force thus providing the basis for the Grand Unified Theory. This high energy level existed only during the very early expansion of the Universe known as the Planck Epoch which existed up to 10 to the negative 43rd seconds after the Big Bang where the four fundamental forces – electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force and gravitation – all had the same strength. After that point the energy level decreased and gravity separated from the other 3 fundamental forces and with condensation of elementary particles (quarks, leptons, and gauge bosons) into matter formed the so-called Standard Model of today’s Universe. (Source: Comments by William H. Depperman posted at blog http://factoidz.com/scientific-laws-that-explain-the-origins-of-the-universe)

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe</p>
<p>Part &#8211; I</p>
<p>There is cosmological evidence for God and the Universe existed before Big Bang please.<br />
Stephen Hawking writes in The Grand Design, “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.” Hawking said the Big Bang was merely the consequence of the law of gravity. In A Brief History of Time, Hawking had suggested that the idea of God or a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.<br />
Although Hawking is very close to Truth yet he is not perfect in his views while discarding the role of divine being. I consider the role of eternal gravity uppermost but I strongly differ with Hawking on the role of divine being. I consider Divine Ordainment is the cause of Creation of Universe.<br />
Now I give Radhasoami Faith view of Creation Theory. In Sar Bachan (Poetry) composed by His Holiness Soamiji Maharaj the August Founder of Radhasoami Faith the details of creation and dissolution has been described very scientifically. It is written in Jeth Mahina (name of Hindi moth) in this Holy Book: Only He Himself (Supreme Father)and none else was there. There issued forth a great current of spirituality, love and grace (In scientific terminology we may call this current as gravitational wave). This is called His Mauj (Divine Ordainment). This was the first manifestation of Supreme Being. This Divine Ordainment brought into being three regions, viz., Agam, Alakh, and Satnam of eternal bliss. Then a current emerged with a powerful sound (this was the first Big Bang). It brought forth the creation of seven Surats or currents of various shades and colours (in scientific terminology we may call it electromagnetic waves). Here the true Jaman or coagulant was given (in scientific terminology this coagulant may be called as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force). Surats, among themselves, brought the creation into being.<br />
These currents descended down further and brought the whole universe/multi verse into being i.e. black holes, galaxies etc. were born.<br />
I would like to add further that sound energy and gravitational force current are non polar entity and electromagnetic force is bi-polar. Hence spiritual polarization, if occurred, is occurred in the region of Sat Lok and region below to it only.<br />
Infinite expanse of gravitational force field is the region of dark energy.</p>
<p>In Bible it is written that in the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God; and the Word was God.<br />
According to Radhasoami Faith “Shabd (Word) is the beginning and end of all. The three loks (worlds) and the fourth Lok, all have been created by Shabd.” (Sar Bachan Poetry)</p>
<p>Part-II</p>
<p>Here the true Jaman (coagulant) was given. The spirituality coagulated as it were, and Surats (spirit entities), among themselves, brought the creation into being. Thereafter, another Jaman (coagulant) was given. Regions from Agam Lok (Inaccessible Region) to Sat Lok (True Region) were created during the first creational process. That creation is true. That region is eternal. There is no trace of evil and suffering. This was the creation for many Yugas and ages. Then there appeared a dark coloured current<br />
That current appeared like a dark coloured stone set in a white one and was absorbed in the Darshan of True Being. Then there appeared two Kalas i.e. currents (viz. Niranjan and Jyoti) and they together evolved the creation of five Tattwas (elements) four Khans (species, categories of life) and three Gunas (qualities). The three Gunas (qualities) brought about the expansion and proliferation . They created Rishis and Munis (sages and holy men), gods and godly human beings and demons. Egotism then increased much. Niranjan separated himself from the rest, putting the burden of looking after the creation on them. Nobody could know of Niranjan. Even the Vedas referred to Him as Neti Neti (Not this, Not this). They did not get Darshan (Vision) of Niranjan. They made conjectures. Then how can anybody have knowledge of Sat Purush (True Being), Source of Niranjan and all that exists.<br />
Scientifically here Jyoti represent three Fundamental Forces of Quantum Mechanics i.e. electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. NIRANJAN is the fourth Fundamental Force i.e. Gravitation Force. Scientific explanation follows in support of my views.</p>
<p>Part-III</p>
<p>Einstein struggled and failed to formulate this theory, but it has already been shown that at high enough energies electromagnetism and the weak force are the same force known as the electroweak force. It is theorized that if energies are increased even further and neutrinos acquire mass, which has now been fully documented, all the known forces will reduce to the same force thus providing the basis for the Grand Unified Theory. This high energy level existed only during the very early expansion of the Universe known as the Planck Epoch which existed up to 10 to the negative 43rd seconds after the Big Bang where the four fundamental forces – electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force and gravitation – all had the same strength. After that point the energy level decreased and gravity separated from the other 3 fundamental forces and with condensation of elementary particles (quarks, leptons, and gauge bosons) into matter formed the so-called Standard Model of today’s Universe. (Source: Comments by William H. Depperman posted at blog <a href="http://factoidz.com/scientific-laws-that-explain-the-origins-of-the-universe" rel="nofollow">http://factoidz.com/scientific-laws-that-explain-the-origins-of-the-universe</a>)</p>
<p>Anirudh Kumar Satsangi</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2010/05/14/the-speed-of-gravity-why-einstein-was-wrong/#comment-4436</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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