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	<title>Comments on: Welfare State To Require Drug Tests &#8211; Bans Bath Salts</title>
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	<description>Hate The State</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8210</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would rather just abolish the coercively funded State.

The State has no legitimate right to engage in theft or wealth redistribution through coercive measures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather just abolish the coercively funded State.</p>
<p>The State has no legitimate right to engage in theft or wealth redistribution through coercive measures.</p>
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		<title>By: Rearden_Steel</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8209</link>
		<dc:creator>Rearden_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While it may be arguing semantics, those two licenses don&#039;t provide what you say.  I do, however, agree with you in principal that we&#039;re living in a welfare state.

The solution would be to get rid of, or at least reform all types of federal welfare.  Couple that with abolishing the DoE and you everything you listed covered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it may be arguing semantics, those two licenses don&#8217;t provide what you say.  I do, however, agree with you in principal that we&#8217;re living in a welfare state.</p>
<p>The solution would be to get rid of, or at least reform all types of federal welfare.  Couple that with abolishing the DoE and you everything you listed covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8208</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You get a drivers license to get a tax payer supplied road.

You get a hunting license to get a tax payer supplied park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get a drivers license to get a tax payer supplied road.</p>
<p>You get a hunting license to get a tax payer supplied park.</p>
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		<title>By: Rearden_Steel</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8207</link>
		<dc:creator>Rearden_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The only example you gave that moderately supports your statement is the student loans.  You don&#039;t get a driver&#039;s license to get a tax payer supplied car, or a hunting license for a tax payer supplied shotgun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The only example you gave that moderately supports your statement is the student loans.  You don&#8217;t get a driver&#8217;s license to get a tax payer supplied car, or a hunting license for a tax payer supplied shotgun.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8204</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re kidding me.  I thought they were talking about Morton&#039;s water softener.

No kidding sherlock, if you are going to comment on this site I at least expect you to have more than 1 brain cell.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding me.  I thought they were talking about Morton&#8217;s water softener.</p>
<p>No kidding sherlock, if you are going to comment on this site I at least expect you to have more than 1 brain cell.</p>
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		<title>By: Xoomfarr</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8203</link>
		<dc:creator>Xoomfarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[um, We do realize that bath salts are a drug correct.. they are not talking about the stuff you take a bath in.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, We do realize that bath salts are a drug correct.. they are not talking about the stuff you take a bath in.<br />
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8201</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you agree that &quot; If people are being forced to subsidize others, they have every right to protect their investment. &quot;

Then I assume you are in favor of drug testing for drivers licenses, marriage licenses, hunting licenses, student loans, etc.. etc.. etc..

It is the only logically consistent position given your comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you agree that &#8220; If people are being forced to subsidize others, they have every right to protect their investment. &#8221;</p>
<p>Then I assume you are in favor of drug testing for drivers licenses, marriage licenses, hunting licenses, student loans, etc.. etc.. etc..</p>
<p>It is the only logically consistent position given your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocates4Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8200</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocates4Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Adam.

If we want to support welfare, perhaps we should have commissaries instead of food stamps, clothing depots instead of a welfare check, etc.  If people are being forced to subsidize others, they have every right to protect their investment.  If one is so irresponsible as to need state or federal assistance, he is likely irresponsible in other areas.  The flip side of liberty is responsibility.  Want the freedom to do drugs?  Don&#039;t mooch off of others.  And, by the way, drugs should be legal.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Adam.</p>
<p>If we want to support welfare, perhaps we should have commissaries instead of food stamps, clothing depots instead of a welfare check, etc.  If people are being forced to subsidize others, they have every right to protect their investment.  If one is so irresponsible as to need state or federal assistance, he is likely irresponsible in other areas.  The flip side of liberty is responsibility.  Want the freedom to do drugs?  Don&#8217;t mooch off of others.  And, by the way, drugs should be legal.  </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8199</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the same thing.

For about 5 minutes.

Then I realized the entire fiasco is a joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the same thing.</p>
<p>For about 5 minutes.</p>
<p>Then I realized the entire fiasco is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/01/welfare-state-to-require-drug-tests-bans-bath-salts/#comment-8198</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[I also posted this on Reddit.com]

While I agree that this drug testing could possibly encourage harder drug use, in principle it also seems like it is silly not to test welfare recipients. If the government insists on playing Robin Hood with our money, the wealth should at least go to those who are not going to spend it on drugs (although it is clear that [1] The government is doing this to perpetuate the drug war, not to encourage responsible use of welfare money and [2] These drug testing measures will be ineffective for many reasons). The logical extension of this, however, is that the government should be able to prevent them from spending this money on most things. Why let a welfare recipient buy $50 shoes when they could buy $25 shoes? Again, I have no problem with this because it is OUR money.What I do have a problem with is the whole welfare system to begin with, which seems to make this sort of fascism sensible (on top of a whole host of other problems).Additionally, let&#039;s not discredit ourselves by referring to these substances as &quot;bath salts.&quot; The bath salts they are talking about are actually the drug MDPV. They are sold as bath salts with the label &quot;Not for human consumption,&quot; thanks to the drug war. Now, instead of providing all the information about the substance and the danger it may or may not pose, the company instead has to cover its ass from the government by simply providing NO information about what it is and what it will do to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I also posted this on Reddit.com]</p>
<p>While I agree that this drug testing could possibly encourage harder drug use, in principle it also seems like it is silly not to test welfare recipients. If the government insists on playing Robin Hood with our money, the wealth should at least go to those who are not going to spend it on drugs (although it is clear that [1] The government is doing this to perpetuate the drug war, not to encourage responsible use of welfare money and [2] These drug testing measures will be ineffective for many reasons). The logical extension of this, however, is that the government should be able to prevent them from spending this money on most things. Why let a welfare recipient buy $50 shoes when they could buy $25 shoes? Again, I have no problem with this because it is OUR money.What I do have a problem with is the whole welfare system to begin with, which seems to make this sort of fascism sensible (on top of a whole host of other problems).Additionally, let&#8217;s not discredit ourselves by referring to these substances as &#8220;bath salts.&#8221; The bath salts they are talking about are actually the drug MDPV. They are sold as bath salts with the label &#8220;Not for human consumption,&#8221; thanks to the drug war. Now, instead of providing all the information about the substance and the danger it may or may not pose, the company instead has to cover its ass from the government by simply providing NO information about what it is and what it will do to you.</p>
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