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	<title>Comments on: Watch SFPD Pigs Shoot A Man Dead Over Bus Fare &#8211; Second Video Proves No Gun</title>
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		<title>By: E.I.A</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8678</link>
		<dc:creator>E.I.A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Regarding track records, see: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/ontario-cops-gone-wild-false-arrests.html 

And for anyone who demands more examples of actual violence, there should be enough to fill a sichbag or two here: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/sense-and-nonsense-of-extremist.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Regarding track records, see: <a href="http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/ontario-cops-gone-wild-false-arrests.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/ontario-cops-gone-wild-false-arrests.html</a> </p>
<p>And for anyone who demands more examples of actual violence, there should be enough to fill a sichbag or two here: <a href="http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/sense-and-nonsense-of-extremist.html?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29" rel="nofollow">http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/sense-and-nonsense-of-extremist.html?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8677</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the historical track record of the police and the eye witness testimony of the videos, I feel I was entirely justified in posting my initial scathing assessment of the police in this situation.

I still think they killed the kid in an unjustified manner.  If the eye witnesses are to be believed, they shot the kid in the back as he was surrendering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the historical track record of the police and the eye witness testimony of the videos, I feel I was entirely justified in posting my initial scathing assessment of the police in this situation.</p>
<p>I still think they killed the kid in an unjustified manner.  If the eye witnesses are to be believed, they shot the kid in the back as he was surrendering.</p>
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		<title>By: E.I.A</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8676</link>
		<dc:creator>E.I.A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have made a mistake of my own and will have to face it accordingly. However, the comment above is as intolerant as it is unreasonable. Mistakes are often made, and a correction has been made to the post in fair time. If the individual above wished to rebuild whatever empire he&#039;d built upon this single post, this could easily be done either by searching the past, or simply waiting a day or two as the next similar event occurred. 

I myself have used this article to base another article on, and I obviously prefer not to have my writings riddled with errors; but I hold no grudge, and regretfully say, more opportunities are on the way. If anything, I am glad the beast was taken down, and that no others were harmed. This is almost good news. 

It does illustrate something substantial in itself when otherwise rational people begin to fault the police by default. More often than not these days, they are not in error. 

A most sincere &quot;oops&quot; to all, from &quot;me too&quot;.

PS: For what it&#039;s worth - trust me or not - I have personally experienced police falsify evidence, and have had very good (and responsible) friends harmed by them. I remember when I was 17, I had one try to nearly choke me to death for being sarcastic - the guy literally grabbed my throat with both hands and began thrashing me until I had to fight back just to get my next breath. *Aggravated assault/battery on a minor* A bunch of goons came out of nowhere to join the fun, and it was ONE good officer who intervened and saved my ass; ONE out of TEN! I could go on without much effort. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made a mistake of my own and will have to face it accordingly. However, the comment above is as intolerant as it is unreasonable. Mistakes are often made, and a correction has been made to the post in fair time. If the individual above wished to rebuild whatever empire he&#8217;d built upon this single post, this could easily be done either by searching the past, or simply waiting a day or two as the next similar event occurred. </p>
<p>I myself have used this article to base another article on, and I obviously prefer not to have my writings riddled with errors; but I hold no grudge, and regretfully say, more opportunities are on the way. If anything, I am glad the beast was taken down, and that no others were harmed. This is almost good news. </p>
<p>It does illustrate something substantial in itself when otherwise rational people begin to fault the police by default. More often than not these days, they are not in error. </p>
<p>A most sincere &#8220;oops&#8221; to all, from &#8220;me too&#8221;.</p>
<p>PS: For what it&#8217;s worth &#8211; trust me or not &#8211; I have personally experienced police falsify evidence, and have had very good (and responsible) friends harmed by them. I remember when I was 17, I had one try to nearly choke me to death for being sarcastic &#8211; the guy literally grabbed my throat with both hands and began thrashing me until I had to fight back just to get my next breath. *Aggravated assault/battery on a minor* A bunch of goons came out of nowhere to join the fun, and it was ONE good officer who intervened and saved my ass; ONE out of TEN! I could go on without much effort. </p>
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		<title>By: Neognosis2012</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8675</link>
		<dc:creator>Neognosis2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where exactly does it show a passerby picking up a gun? The guy that points at the ground and pics up something that looks like a wallet was a good 20 feet from where the &quot;gun&quot; was laying on the ground. Where people playing kick-the-can with a gun laying on the ground? Did the guy with the camera forget to get a good close-up on the &quot;gun&quot; as he walked past it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly does it show a passerby picking up a gun? The guy that points at the ground and pics up something that looks like a wallet was a good 20 feet from where the &#8220;gun&#8221; was laying on the ground. Where people playing kick-the-can with a gun laying on the ground? Did the guy with the camera forget to get a good close-up on the &#8220;gun&#8221; as he walked past it?</p>
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		<title>By: Uradick</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8669</link>
		<dc:creator>Uradick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[completely incompetent journalism. He killed a few people the week before even. Try researching before you post shit as news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>completely incompetent journalism. He killed a few people the week before even. Try researching before you post shit as news.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sense and Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda (Video) &#124; Brian Brown&#039;s Official Website</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8668</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sense and Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda (Video) &#124; Brian Brown&#039;s Official Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Sense and Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda (Video)</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8663</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sense and Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda (Video)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OutragedAgain</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8660</link>
		<dc:creator>OutragedAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a gun. At exactly 0:15 in fullscreen mode, where the object is close to the bottom right, you can see the shadows clear up...there&#039;s almost no &quot;grip.&quot; The object is most likely a flattened can of some sort. Also, cops got there long before the crowd, as we can see from the 2nd Angle video. You bet your sweet ass they would&#039;ve been on that if it was a gun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a gun. At exactly 0:15 in fullscreen mode, where the object is close to the bottom right, you can see the shadows clear up&#8230;there&#8217;s almost no &#8220;grip.&#8221; The object is most likely a flattened can of some sort. Also, cops got there long before the crowd, as we can see from the 2nd Angle video. You bet your sweet ass they would&#8217;ve been on that if it was a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8659</link>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir, 
I sympathize with your anger completely. For the first  24 hours I was fuming. I almost wrote a flaming post, but was too fatigued to do so, and instead waited until I was more calm. I am glad I did so. I have no criticism for your words, as what they have done warrants outrage and aggressive prosecution. But in my response-article, I tried to offer at least a measure of contrast, and showed one example of officers holding back. Please do not mistake this for a police apology; I am furious myself, and am well aware of the police-state which now threatens normal civilians and offers impunity to tyrants. I simply hope to encourage a little balance, and not become as insane as them. There are still good officers and bad civilians. The difference I myself emphasize is the greater responsibility held by officers, and therefor the need to hold them to it in proportion. When they take the calculated risk of duty, they cannot be permitted squander the lives of others because they &quot;thought&quot; they observed a threat, or saw &quot;something&quot;. If that works for them, it should work for us too, and that would be a real mess. 

Be safe. And keep that Glock clean, and properly (legally) concealed - They are looking for trouble, and they are looking hard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,<br />
I sympathize with your anger completely. For the first  24 hours I was fuming. I almost wrote a flaming post, but was too fatigued to do so, and instead waited until I was more calm. I am glad I did so. I have no criticism for your words, as what they have done warrants outrage and aggressive prosecution. But in my response-article, I tried to offer at least a measure of contrast, and showed one example of officers holding back. Please do not mistake this for a police apology; I am furious myself, and am well aware of the police-state which now threatens normal civilians and offers impunity to tyrants. I simply hope to encourage a little balance, and not become as insane as them. There are still good officers and bad civilians. The difference I myself emphasize is the greater responsibility held by officers, and therefor the need to hold them to it in proportion. When they take the calculated risk of duty, they cannot be permitted squander the lives of others because they &#8220;thought&#8221; they observed a threat, or saw &#8220;something&#8221;. If that works for them, it should work for us too, and that would be a real mess. </p>
<p>Be safe. And keep that Glock clean, and properly (legally) concealed &#8211; They are looking for trouble, and they are looking hard.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sense &#38; Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda &#124; Eccentric Intelligence Agency</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/18/watch-sfpd-pigs-shoot-a-man-dead-over-bus-fare/#comment-8658</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sense &#38; Nonsense of Extremist® Propaganda &#124; Eccentric Intelligence Agency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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