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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts On God And The Nature Of Consciousness</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-10882</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strong emergence is impossible.  Name one instance of it occurring in anything, excluding consciousness, since that is in contention.

It is logically impossible to create an orange ball out of red blocks.  It cannot be done.  The properties of the ball must be part of its constituent parts make up.

Any properties of a system must be derived from its constituent parts.  Arguing against this is illogical.  Strong emergence is a form of magic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong emergence is impossible.  Name one instance of it occurring in anything, excluding consciousness, since that is in contention.</p>
<p>It is logically impossible to create an orange ball out of red blocks.  It cannot be done.  The properties of the ball must be part of its constituent parts make up.</p>
<p>Any properties of a system must be derived from its constituent parts.  Arguing against this is illogical.  Strong emergence is a form of magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrundle</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-10881</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrundle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry to say that I didn&#039;t read this whole thing, so I&#039;m sorry if I am ignoring some good points.


I couldn&#039;t make it past the beginning when you were making ridiculous logical errors.  &quot;If you think X is like this, then it MUST be true that Y is like this because (blah blah blah).&quot;  By completely failing to consider other possibilities, you lose credibility right there.  Maybe you accidentally were using unforgiving language and were merely offering this up as a &quot;high on marijuana and had this idea&quot; type of thing.

If not, you should really take a step back and try to recognize that you don&#039;t know too much about the science of what you are talking about.  Just because you don&#039;t seem to think that consciousness can come from matter, why is that necessarily true?  Do you know what consciousness is?  What it consists of and does not consist of?  Do you understand how the neural network of the brain - containing a mind-blowing (pun, yes, intended) 1 trillion (that&#039;s 1,000,000,000,000) neurons - works?  We don&#039;t even have computers with that many bits yet, but we already have many instances of computers that can arguably pass the Turing test for intelligence.  

Many scientists and philosophers hypothesize that consciousness is an emergent property.  Not a property of matter, but of the network that that matter creates.  Until you disprove this, the rest of your post is simply pretentious rambling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that I didn&#8217;t read this whole thing, so I&#8217;m sorry if I am ignoring some good points.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t make it past the beginning when you were making ridiculous logical errors.  &#8221;If you think X is like this, then it MUST be true that Y is like this because (blah blah blah).&#8221;  By completely failing to consider other possibilities, you lose credibility right there.  Maybe you accidentally were using unforgiving language and were merely offering this up as a &#8220;high on marijuana and had this idea&#8221; type of thing.</p>
<p>If not, you should really take a step back and try to recognize that you don&#8217;t know too much about the science of what you are talking about.  Just because you don&#8217;t seem to think that consciousness can come from matter, why is that necessarily true?  Do you know what consciousness is?  What it consists of and does not consist of?  Do you understand how the neural network of the brain &#8211; containing a mind-blowing (pun, yes, intended) 1 trillion (that&#8217;s 1,000,000,000,000) neurons &#8211; works?  We don&#8217;t even have computers with that many bits yet, but we already have many instances of computers that can arguably pass the Turing test for intelligence.  </p>
<p>Many scientists and philosophers hypothesize that consciousness is an emergent property.  Not a property of matter, but of the network that that matter creates.  Until you disprove this, the rest of your post is simply pretentious rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: cheech</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-10126</link>
		<dc:creator>cheech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the basic question very simple. Either a supernatural being created the universe out of nothing (religious) or the belief that there was no beginning(atheism). Existence exists and always has in some or another.Hence, there is no hence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the basic question very simple. Either a supernatural being created the universe out of nothing (religious) or the belief that there was no beginning(atheism). Existence exists and always has in some or another.Hence, there is no hence.</p>
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		<title>By: Thunderbolts of the Gods - Channeling Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9923</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderbolts of the Gods - Channeling Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: More &#8216;Free Market&#8217; Double Standards &#171; Unlearning Economics</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9832</link>
		<dc:creator>More &#8216;Free Market&#8217; Double Standards &#171; Unlearning Economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Emergent properties are logically impossible (see comments) so we should be 100% reductionist. But human action is a meaningful emergent property, meaningful [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: A Country Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9623</link>
		<dc:creator>A Country Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not making the claim that atoms are conscious -- I&#039;m saying your explanation is equally as likely -- neither have strong evidence. My point is that you&#039;re avoiding the issue of evidence by simply asserting consciousness (without even defining consciousness, which is the give away). If something doesn&#039;t have evidence, then unless we&#039;re talking about philosophy, then how can we talk about it?

Grade school physics is Newtonian and deterministic. High school and college physics adds quantum physics which includes non-determinism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not making the claim that atoms are conscious &#8212; I&#8217;m saying your explanation is equally as likely &#8212; neither have strong evidence. My point is that you&#8217;re avoiding the issue of evidence by simply asserting consciousness (without even defining consciousness, which is the give away). If something doesn&#8217;t have evidence, then unless we&#8217;re talking about philosophy, then how can we talk about it?</p>
<p>Grade school physics is Newtonian and deterministic. High school and college physics adds quantum physics which includes non-determinism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9622</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to claim atoms are conscious, then you&#039;ll have to explain why this should be so.

Clearly they are not conscious.

And if you want to claim some obscure explanation like multiple dimensions, explain how this is better and different than claiming consciousness is simply a fundamental component of the universe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to claim atoms are conscious, then you&#8217;ll have to explain why this should be so.</p>
<p>Clearly they are not conscious.</p>
<p>And if you want to claim some obscure explanation like multiple dimensions, explain how this is better and different than claiming consciousness is simply a fundamental component of the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: A Country Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9621</link>
		<dc:creator>A Country Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you know atomic structures or other fundamental components contain no signs of consciousness? Maybe the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is the manifestation of sub-atomic particles making decisions? It&#039;s a very strong claim to say we &quot;know&quot; consciousness doesn&#039;t exist in other forces or phenomenons -- you need evidence to back that up.

And how do you know that all interactions of matter are deterministic? Maybe there is a spectrum of consciousness.

You also still haven&#039;t defined strong emergence.

The problem with all of this is that you still haven&#039;t defined what the word &quot;consciousness&quot; means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know atomic structures or other fundamental components contain no signs of consciousness? Maybe the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is the manifestation of sub-atomic particles making decisions? It&#8217;s a very strong claim to say we &#8220;know&#8221; consciousness doesn&#8217;t exist in other forces or phenomenons &#8212; you need evidence to back that up.</p>
<p>And how do you know that all interactions of matter are deterministic? Maybe there is a spectrum of consciousness.</p>
<p>You also still haven&#8217;t defined strong emergence.</p>
<p>The problem with all of this is that you still haven&#8217;t defined what the word &#8220;consciousness&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9619</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The amount of least hypothetical postulates lies with consciousness being its own fundamental component since we know atomic structures contain no signs of consciousness.  

Given that strong emergence is impossible, and given that we know fundamental components of matter are not conscious, Occam&#039;s razor favors consciousness as a fundamental component of the universe.

If the interactions of matter were the basis for consciousness, then clearly their could be no free will, since all actions of matter are deterministic.  I for one believe I am my own person, my will is my own, it is not based on the deterministic actions of matter that I have no control over. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of least hypothetical postulates lies with consciousness being its own fundamental component since we know atomic structures contain no signs of consciousness.  </p>
<p>Given that strong emergence is impossible, and given that we know fundamental components of matter are not conscious, Occam&#8217;s razor favors consciousness as a fundamental component of the universe.</p>
<p>If the interactions of matter were the basis for consciousness, then clearly their could be no free will, since all actions of matter are deterministic.  I for one believe I am my own person, my will is my own, it is not based on the deterministic actions of matter that I have no control over. </p>
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		<title>By: A Country Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/05/thoughts-on-god-and-the-nature-of-consciousness/#comment-9616</link>
		<dc:creator>A Country Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, so until we find evidence otherwise, Occam&#039;s razor says that consciousness is just a very (incredibly!) advanced form of animal action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so until we find evidence otherwise, Occam&#8217;s razor says that consciousness is just a very (incredibly!) advanced form of animal action.</p>
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