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	<title>Comments on: The Idiocy Of Limiting Population Growth Through Violently Funded State Programs</title>
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		<title>By: Mzalka</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9928</link>
		<dc:creator>Mzalka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can such %$#^&amp; be permitted to pollute the &#039;web&#039;!? You are poison to every effort at &#039;redemption&#039; for a saner, balanced world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can such %$#^&amp; be permitted to pollute the &#8216;web&#8217;!? You are poison to every effort at &#8216;redemption&#8217; for a saner, balanced world.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since we know that industrialized nations have lower birth rates, how about we just let people be free?

I know it is a radical idea, but it seems to work pretty well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we know that industrialized nations have lower birth rates, how about we just let people be free?</p>
<p>I know it is a radical idea, but it seems to work pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: LessGov76</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9711</link>
		<dc:creator>LessGov76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps you didn&#039;t put 1 and 1 together to make two...my email to which was dated Nov 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM...to which you responded begins with:

&quot;Now don&#039;t get me wrong, I do not advocate anything even remotely like the Chinese policy, but some type of plan to control, and reduce, population is critical. Today, because the value of most global currency is based on the amount of labor one can extract from it&#039;s populace, we have policies in place that encourage population growth. We, as a society, reward horrible parents for having kids they can&#039;t, or won&#039;t, care for. We tend to leave children in deplorable situations knowing that no matter how badly off they are once they reach adulthood, they will still need to earn a living. If they are desperate because of lack of education they are the more easily exploited.&quot;








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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you didn&#8217;t put 1 and 1 together to make two&#8230;my email to which was dated Nov 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM&#8230;to which you responded begins with:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, I do not advocate anything even remotely like the Chinese policy, but some type of plan to control, and reduce, population is critical. Today, because the value of most global currency is based on the amount of labor one can extract from it&#8217;s populace, we have policies in place that encourage population growth. We, as a society, reward horrible parents for having kids they can&#8217;t, or won&#8217;t, care for. We tend to leave children in deplorable situations knowing that no matter how badly off they are once they reach adulthood, they will still need to earn a living. If they are desperate because of lack of education they are the more easily exploited.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9684</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not going to agree to anything that involves violent looting.
And I don&#039;t see any reason why I shouldn&#039;t trust human ingenuity to overcome any possible obstacles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to agree to anything that involves violent looting.<br />
And I don&#8217;t see any reason why I shouldn&#8217;t trust human ingenuity to overcome any possible obstacles.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9682</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys should agree to disagree. No one will completely agree in the world and that&#039;s why their is war. Not one person thinks the same as anyone else. You have to realize this and the only way to be peaceful is to understand we are all different and agree to live differently. Personally I think people want to control each other too much. If we just let people do what they want as long ad it didn&#039;t take away from another and it was based on acceptable reasoning I think we would have utopia, but I also believe as long as their is organized religion that will never happen. Not that I am against religion I just think each individual needs to find their own faith instead of being preached to. I&#039;m very off topic I know, but these are my thoughts rambling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys should agree to disagree. No one will completely agree in the world and that&#8217;s why their is war. Not one person thinks the same as anyone else. You have to realize this and the only way to be peaceful is to understand we are all different and agree to live differently. Personally I think people want to control each other too much. If we just let people do what they want as long ad it didn&#8217;t take away from another and it was based on acceptable reasoning I think we would have utopia, but I also believe as long as their is organized religion that will never happen. Not that I am against religion I just think each individual needs to find their own faith instead of being preached to. I&#8217;m very off topic I know, but these are my thoughts rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it is healthy to put all your faith into technology... I mean people should have a little reliance on themselves and other than just completely depend on technology. Because people can always find a way to work out things naturally if they know how to, but if we rely on technology and then one day it somehow get distupted... We are totally screwed. Or at least those of us who relied on that technology. I think it is good, but doesn&#039;t need to be completely relied on. Life is about being simple not over complicating it. You shouldnt have to waste something you don&#039;t need. People are wasteful and I think it&#039;s going to bite us in the ass. If something happened and we lost all our technology today. Would you be able to survive? Ask yourself that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is healthy to put all your faith into technology&#8230; I mean people should have a little reliance on themselves and other than just completely depend on technology. Because people can always find a way to work out things naturally if they know how to, but if we rely on technology and then one day it somehow get distupted&#8230; We are totally screwed. Or at least those of us who relied on that technology. I think it is good, but doesn&#8217;t need to be completely relied on. Life is about being simple not over complicating it. You shouldnt have to waste something you don&#8217;t need. People are wasteful and I think it&#8217;s going to bite us in the ass. If something happened and we lost all our technology today. Would you be able to survive? Ask yourself that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9672</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This from a man who calls himself &quot;lessGov&quot;.

You sound like a Chinese Communist with your centrally planned baby regulation schemes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from a man who calls himself &#8220;lessGov&#8221;.</p>
<p>You sound like a Chinese Communist with your centrally planned baby regulation schemes.</p>
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		<title>By: LessGov76</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9666</link>
		<dc:creator>LessGov76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I chose to ignore first world cities not being, &quot;shit holes,&quot; because I felt I was already dealing with enough blanket statements that were patently untrue already. This one was far enough out there, that it didn&#039;t seem to warrant a lengthy response, but if you want one...Anyone living in the slums of Camden, NJ, Detroit, MI, Gary, IN, Brooklyn or Queens in New York City, etc. would never make a statement like that. This isn&#039;t just large cities either, there are sections of small towns west of Evansville, IN that have buildings with extensions on them that are reminiscent of the lean-to&#039;s outside of Mexico City. To say that there is &quot;no reason&quot; that something, well anything really, &quot;has to be&quot; virtually anything is silly. Anything can be what we make it. The difference here is what is the most likely scenario? Disgusting slums exist in or around every major city. Complete deregulation would likely make this worse.

So I have listened to your argument and thought about it. If you would truly rather live anywhere that there isn&#039;t a government regulating anything, and you truly believe that you have the answers to make it work, I suggest you pack your bags and move to Somalia. Never has there been such a prime opportunity to setup a government free society (other than every other time and place where a government has failed or been overthrown throughout history). 

As much as I like 90% of your thoughts you are the one that seems to fail to think, or consider another opinion or view point. You are obviously a zealot and an extremist. Yes I know they are synonymous, but you have earned both words. This is reminiscent of my conversations with Deric in that anyone that doesn&#039;t agree with you 100% is an &quot;idiot&quot; or &quot;speculating&quot; when the entire conversation is based on your speculations. People that are interested and attempting to engage and discuss fail to &quot;think or listen.&quot; You can&#039;t even acknowledge that &quot;nearly unlimited&quot; is a grossly blanket statement which is dependent on all types of speculations on your part. You say population &quot;would never get that high&quot; but ignore that you have entered in to the equation unlimited energy and food...are you psychic how do you know it would never get &quot;that high&quot;? You have managed to convince me of one thing...as much as I LOVE your site, it is fringe nuttiness to be enjoyed occasionally, and not to be taken too seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose to ignore first world cities not being, &#8220;shit holes,&#8221; because I felt I was already dealing with enough blanket statements that were patently untrue already. This one was far enough out there, that it didn&#8217;t seem to warrant a lengthy response, but if you want one&#8230;Anyone living in the slums of Camden, NJ, Detroit, MI, Gary, IN, Brooklyn or Queens in New York City, etc. would never make a statement like that. This isn&#8217;t just large cities either, there are sections of small towns west of Evansville, IN that have buildings with extensions on them that are reminiscent of the lean-to&#8217;s outside of Mexico City. To say that there is &#8220;no reason&#8221; that something, well anything really, &#8220;has to be&#8221; virtually anything is silly. Anything can be what we make it. The difference here is what is the most likely scenario? Disgusting slums exist in or around every major city. Complete deregulation would likely make this worse.</p>
<p>So I have listened to your argument and thought about it. If you would truly rather live anywhere that there isn&#8217;t a government regulating anything, and you truly believe that you have the answers to make it work, I suggest you pack your bags and move to Somalia. Never has there been such a prime opportunity to setup a government free society (other than every other time and place where a government has failed or been overthrown throughout history). </p>
<p>As much as I like 90% of your thoughts you are the one that seems to fail to think, or consider another opinion or view point. You are obviously a zealot and an extremist. Yes I know they are synonymous, but you have earned both words. This is reminiscent of my conversations with Deric in that anyone that doesn&#8217;t agree with you 100% is an &#8220;idiot&#8221; or &#8220;speculating&#8221; when the entire conversation is based on your speculations. People that are interested and attempting to engage and discuss fail to &#8220;think or listen.&#8221; You can&#8217;t even acknowledge that &#8220;nearly unlimited&#8221; is a grossly blanket statement which is dependent on all types of speculations on your part. You say population &#8220;would never get that high&#8221; but ignore that you have entered in to the equation unlimited energy and food&#8230;are you psychic how do you know it would never get &#8220;that high&#8221;? You have managed to convince me of one thing&#8230;as much as I LOVE your site, it is fringe nuttiness to be enjoyed occasionally, and not to be taken too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/18/the-idiocy-of-limiting-population-growth-through-violently-funded-state-programs/#comment-9663</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t want to live in a world where thugs come and loot me in order to force a population reduction program on me funded by my own money.

I&#039;d rather live in Manila.

Of course, you simply ignore my point about first world cities not being shit holes, but whatever.  You don&#039;t want to listen or think.  There is absolutely no reason that a densely populated city has to be a shit hole.  Ritz Carlton Hotels are an ultra dense population center, but I don&#039;t see anyone complaining about it.

There is no reason to have a State come and loot me at gun point in order to stop people from having babies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to live in a world where thugs come and loot me in order to force a population reduction program on me funded by my own money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather live in Manila.</p>
<p>Of course, you simply ignore my point about first world cities not being shit holes, but whatever.  You don&#8217;t want to listen or think.  There is absolutely no reason that a densely populated city has to be a shit hole.  Ritz Carlton Hotels are an ultra dense population center, but I don&#8217;t see anyone complaining about it.</p>
<p>There is no reason to have a State come and loot me at gun point in order to stop people from having babies.</p>
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		<title>By: LessGov76</title>
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		<dc:creator>LessGov76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry but it is very relevant. My initial statement was that the earth can probably easily accomodate double the current population but that isn&#039;t a world I would want to live in. So whether you would want to live in a densely populated area is on topic. I don&#039;t know if you have lived in an densely populated apartment building, but I have. It&#039;s great when you can hear the people at above having sex, the people in the apartment below fighting, the people to the right partying, the people to the lefts dog barking, the people above and to the rights stereo at full blast trying to drowned out everyone else, the people behind you hammering on something while a guy is outside on his balcony punching metal trim and yelling about his ex-girlfriend...etc.   

I think all the conjecture about new energy and food sources being implemented on a global scale is wonderful. I think the discussion of what humanity might be able to accomplish with super-structures is grand. I also think that in the here and now there is a problem with population. Why ignore it just because there might be a solution down the road?

All this speculation on my part? First you disagree that there are a, &quot;maximum number of people who can live...simultaneously on this planet&quot; Then speculate that we could dig down into the earth and build up almost indefinitely. At the same time you cite new technology that could potentially provide unlimited sources of food and energy. [All statistics, everywhere, from all species, nations &amp; cultures, throughout history, have shown how increased population growth directly correlates to increased availability of food.] Then you suppose that the population would never get that high because industrialized nations have declining birth rates (as long as you exclude immigrants and ignore the unlimited supply of cheap energy and food). Where the population comes from actually is irrelevant, unless you&#039;re saying that we are going to industrialize the rest of the world...that shouldn&#039;t be too hard...all we have to do is redistribute the wealth of all the 1st world nations and then we can just print more money when we run out. Yes, I know you aren&#039;t advocating that, and neither am I : ). 

The problem I have with this argument, is the same one I have with the thought that, &quot;first world nations should feed the world with their surplus stores of food.&quot; You have to bring the entire world UP to the SAME standard of living or you get slums. Again I don&#039;t want to live in a world where everyone lives in the same small compartment of a superstructure any more than I want to live in the slums.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but it is very relevant. My initial statement was that the earth can probably easily accomodate double the current population but that isn&#8217;t a world I would want to live in. So whether you would want to live in a densely populated area is on topic. I don&#8217;t know if you have lived in an densely populated apartment building, but I have. It&#8217;s great when you can hear the people at above having sex, the people in the apartment below fighting, the people to the right partying, the people to the lefts dog barking, the people above and to the rights stereo at full blast trying to drowned out everyone else, the people behind you hammering on something while a guy is outside on his balcony punching metal trim and yelling about his ex-girlfriend&#8230;etc.   </p>
<p>I think all the conjecture about new energy and food sources being implemented on a global scale is wonderful. I think the discussion of what humanity might be able to accomplish with super-structures is grand. I also think that in the here and now there is a problem with population. Why ignore it just because there might be a solution down the road?</p>
<p>All this speculation on my part? First you disagree that there are a, &#8220;maximum number of people who can live&#8230;simultaneously on this planet&#8221; Then speculate that we could dig down into the earth and build up almost indefinitely. At the same time you cite new technology that could potentially provide unlimited sources of food and energy. [All statistics, everywhere, from all species, nations &amp; cultures, throughout history, have shown how increased population growth directly correlates to increased availability of food.] Then you suppose that the population would never get that high because industrialized nations have declining birth rates (as long as you exclude immigrants and ignore the unlimited supply of cheap energy and food). Where the population comes from actually is irrelevant, unless you&#8217;re saying that we are going to industrialize the rest of the world&#8230;that shouldn&#8217;t be too hard&#8230;all we have to do is redistribute the wealth of all the 1st world nations and then we can just print more money when we run out. Yes, I know you aren&#8217;t advocating that, and neither am I : ). </p>
<p>The problem I have with this argument, is the same one I have with the thought that, &#8220;first world nations should feed the world with their surplus stores of food.&#8221; You have to bring the entire world UP to the SAME standard of living or you get slums. Again I don&#8217;t want to live in a world where everyone lives in the same small compartment of a superstructure any more than I want to live in the slums.</p>
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