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	<title>Comments on: Anarcho-Capitalism: The Solution To Monopoly and Cartels</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel_H</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/27/anarcho-capitalism-the-solution-to-monopoly-and-cartels/#comment-10333</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point indeed, thanks. You&#039;re right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point indeed, thanks. You&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/27/anarcho-capitalism-the-solution-to-monopoly-and-cartels/#comment-10331</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rockefeller tried to buy up all the oil refineries in the US in order to monopolize the market.

What eventually happened was that refinery producers began building refineries just so they could sell them to Rockefeller because they knew he would buy them.

Rockefeller eventually realized that he couldn&#039;t keep buying all the oil refineries because he would bankrupt himself since people would simply keep building them until he ran out of money.

Obviously the lesson to be learned here is that it is impossible for any single corporation to buy up all the productive capacity of a given market because people will keep building more production facilities until the monopolist stops buying them or is driven into bankruptcy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rockefeller tried to buy up all the oil refineries in the US in order to monopolize the market.</p>
<p>What eventually happened was that refinery producers began building refineries just so they could sell them to Rockefeller because they knew he would buy them.</p>
<p>Rockefeller eventually realized that he couldn&#8217;t keep buying all the oil refineries because he would bankrupt himself since people would simply keep building them until he ran out of money.</p>
<p>Obviously the lesson to be learned here is that it is impossible for any single corporation to buy up all the productive capacity of a given market because people will keep building more production facilities until the monopolist stops buying them or is driven into bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, as I said, this really hinges on how you define monopoly as such. Indeed, what I described, would be good for the consumer, but why should that disturb me as a monopolist if I&#039;m content with market-driven pricing IF I can still keep competition at bay AND my profits sky-high (as I wrote before, even with low prices, huge amounts sold still can make a great income).
And regarding new developments, well, where are those most likely to occur? In one of my many state-of-the-art R&amp;D facilities worldwide, or in some startup-founder&#039;s private lab? The latter one is possible as well, of course, after all, many startups are based on just that, but then again, what happens to most of them? They are bought up by the big players. Only the remaining few can pose a threat - if the monopolist is not smart enough to adapt quickly to the new ideas.

So my whole point here is that a monopolist does not necessarily have to be a stupid idiot bastard, basing his profits solely on evil and unethical behavior. He can be smart and adaptive as well, even bowing his head to the market to some extent, but still use all his available resources and advantage to always keep at least a step ahead of all and any of his rivals that might emerge. So while this is not a monopoly in the classic sense as described above, but in its effects, it would be quite similar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as I said, this really hinges on how you define monopoly as such. Indeed, what I described, would be good for the consumer, but why should that disturb me as a monopolist if I&#8217;m content with market-driven pricing IF I can still keep competition at bay AND my profits sky-high (as I wrote before, even with low prices, huge amounts sold still can make a great income).<br />
And regarding new developments, well, where are those most likely to occur? In one of my many state-of-the-art R&amp;D facilities worldwide, or in some startup-founder&#8217;s private lab? The latter one is possible as well, of course, after all, many startups are based on just that, but then again, what happens to most of them? They are bought up by the big players. Only the remaining few can pose a threat &#8211; if the monopolist is not smart enough to adapt quickly to the new ideas.</p>
<p>So my whole point here is that a monopolist does not necessarily have to be a stupid idiot bastard, basing his profits solely on evil and unethical behavior. He can be smart and adaptive as well, even bowing his head to the market to some extent, but still use all his available resources and advantage to always keep at least a step ahead of all and any of his rivals that might emerge. So while this is not a monopoly in the classic sense as described above, but in its effects, it would be quite similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But if you max out production to keep costs low, then that is good for the consumer.  Really monoploy is only bad when it is used as a means to create non-market driven pricing.  Besides, just because you currently have the lowest cost of production, that doesn&#039;t mean that a new tech development cannot decrease that cost of production for a competitor to an even lower level.

Remember, the whole point behind having monopolies stopped is that they are bad for the consumer, and result in higher prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you max out production to keep costs low, then that is good for the consumer.  Really monoploy is only bad when it is used as a means to create non-market driven pricing.  Besides, just because you currently have the lowest cost of production, that doesn&#8217;t mean that a new tech development cannot decrease that cost of production for a competitor to an even lower level.</p>
<p>Remember, the whole point behind having monopolies stopped is that they are bad for the consumer, and result in higher prices.</p>
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		<title>By: 60 Things NOT To Do If You Hate The Free Market - Page 4 - Grasscity.com Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>60 Things NOT To Do If You Hate The Free Market - Page 4 - Grasscity.com Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 02:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi and thanks fot this most detailed answer to my question!
I was somewhat surprised to see that a monopoly is apparently defined by the ability to cut production to drive up prices without losing share. In my line of thought, a monopoly was simply defined as being the only supplier in a given area, with the ability to &quot;remove&quot; (by any means necessary) any competition.

That is - furthering your example -, another thing I could - and what in this case I would - do as the monopolist is - instead of cutting production and driving up price - to just max production and meet the demand, since even if the prices are lower, due to huge amount produced, I&#039;ll still make a fortune - possibly even more than I could with higher prices but smaller quantity.
And if you still come along to compete, well, I just buy you out. Since there is no authority to tell me that I cannot, I will. And if you don&#039;t want to sell your business, then I don&#039;t even have to cheat - I can just simply let you try, confident in my superiority (since I&#039;ve already maxed production, the prices are low, and you can&#039;t bid under them, because you have only a small startup production facility, while I have many factories throughout the planet, and can produce much more a lot cheaply and with better quality than you), knowing that you are going to fail anyway.

So that was my theory - but now I see that this apparently does not count as a _real_ monopoly, since in this case competition is still possible... with low starting chances, but still possible. I see. Thanks again for the answer!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi and thanks fot this most detailed answer to my question!<br />
I was somewhat surprised to see that a monopoly is apparently defined by the ability to cut production to drive up prices without losing share. In my line of thought, a monopoly was simply defined as being the only supplier in a given area, with the ability to &#8220;remove&#8221; (by any means necessary) any competition.</p>
<p>That is &#8211; furthering your example -, another thing I could &#8211; and what in this case I would &#8211; do as the monopolist is &#8211; instead of cutting production and driving up price &#8211; to just max production and meet the demand, since even if the prices are lower, due to huge amount produced, I&#8217;ll still make a fortune &#8211; possibly even more than I could with higher prices but smaller quantity.<br />
And if you still come along to compete, well, I just buy you out. Since there is no authority to tell me that I cannot, I will. And if you don&#8217;t want to sell your business, then I don&#8217;t even have to cheat &#8211; I can just simply let you try, confident in my superiority (since I&#8217;ve already maxed production, the prices are low, and you can&#8217;t bid under them, because you have only a small startup production facility, while I have many factories throughout the planet, and can produce much more a lot cheaply and with better quality than you), knowing that you are going to fail anyway.</p>
<p>So that was my theory &#8211; but now I see that this apparently does not count as a _real_ monopoly, since in this case competition is still possible&#8230; with low starting chances, but still possible. I see. Thanks again for the answer!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimblimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimblimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the would-be monopolist will TRY to cheat, but exactly how can he do so, if he can&#039;t use force? A more real problem is when people count on fair play by the government, which can and does use force and is hardly an impartial referee. Statists never seem to consider this problem; the government is simply magic for them, the normal rules don&#039;t apply. The reality is that government consists of people, same as corporations. The only real difference is that government can and does use force to get its way - so it has far greater leeway to &quot;cheat&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the would-be monopolist will TRY to cheat, but exactly how can he do so, if he can&#8217;t use force? A more real problem is when people count on fair play by the government, which can and does use force and is hardly an impartial referee. Statists never seem to consider this problem; the government is simply magic for them, the normal rules don&#8217;t apply. The reality is that government consists of people, same as corporations. The only real difference is that government can and does use force to get its way &#8211; so it has far greater leeway to &#8220;cheat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual the anti-libertarians simply claims that libertarian theory doesn&#039;t work in reality, without any actual reference to what happens in reality.  In reality monopolists routinely capture the regulators and the politicians are mostly accountable to the monopolists, who unlike the rest of us, actually have a motive to pay attention.  When has their been an abusive free market monopoly?  Look at what actually happens with monopolies under the state?  When has the state ever been a good referee?  

Why would a monopolist expect to get away with &quot;cheating&quot; (you don&#039;t say what sort of cheating) easier under anarcho-capitalism than under the State?  Do you have ANY evidence that the state is actually good at being a referee or preventing cheating?  Because there is a lot of evidence that it&#039;s rubbish at that.  About 100 million pieces of evidence, all of them dead bodies.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual the anti-libertarians simply claims that libertarian theory doesn&#8217;t work in reality, without any actual reference to what happens in reality.  In reality monopolists routinely capture the regulators and the politicians are mostly accountable to the monopolists, who unlike the rest of us, actually have a motive to pay attention.  When has their been an abusive free market monopoly?  Look at what actually happens with monopolies under the state?  When has the state ever been a good referee?  </p>
<p>Why would a monopolist expect to get away with &#8220;cheating&#8221; (you don&#8217;t say what sort of cheating) easier under anarcho-capitalism than under the State?  Do you have ANY evidence that the state is actually good at being a referee or preventing cheating?  Because there is a lot of evidence that it&#8217;s rubbish at that.  About 100 million pieces of evidence, all of them dead bodies.  </p>
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		<title>By: david oconnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>david oconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this guys is so naive, his THEORY has no base on in reality. He counts on fair play by a monopolizer. Has never happened in any system ever and ain&#039;t going to happen in AC or AL system either. He&#039;s dreaming. At least now if we get the politicians accountabable and transparent, out of the pocket of such monopolizers then we have a chance to regulate fair play. Thats the only way its ever going to happen. A good referee or individuals and and teams get away with cheating. Its human nature and this guy is in theoritical fantasy land to think otherwise. He has no evidence for it ever having been the case. NONE!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this guys is so naive, his THEORY has no base on in reality. He counts on fair play by a monopolizer. Has never happened in any system ever and ain&#8217;t going to happen in AC or AL system either. He&#8217;s dreaming. At least now if we get the politicians accountabable and transparent, out of the pocket of such monopolizers then we have a chance to regulate fair play. Thats the only way its ever going to happen. A good referee or individuals and and teams get away with cheating. Its human nature and this guy is in theoritical fantasy land to think otherwise. He has no evidence for it ever having been the case. NONE!  </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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