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	<title>Comments on: Free Will Vs. Determinism</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well no shit.  You&#039;re kidding me.  You mean I didn&#039;t solve all the world&#039;s problems in a short blog post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well no shit.  You&#8217;re kidding me.  You mean I didn&#8217;t solve all the world&#8217;s problems in a short blog post?</p>
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		<title>By: A wetrrr</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-10646</link>
		<dc:creator>A wetrrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is news? Don&#039;t mean to be rude, but this has been studied far more in depth by philosophers for centuries. Dudes, I should say, who were far more familiar with the complex multifaceted nature of the problem. 
Check out: 
The writings of Sam Harris, the problem of future contingents, Richard Taylor&#039;s &quot;Fatalism&quot;, G.H. Clarke&#039;s &quot;Determinism, Brain Function and Free Will&quot;, for a start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is news? Don&#8217;t mean to be rude, but this has been studied far more in depth by philosophers for centuries. Dudes, I should say, who were far more familiar with the complex multifaceted nature of the problem. <br />
Check out: <br />
The writings of Sam Harris, the problem of future contingents, Richard Taylor&#8217;s &#8220;Fatalism&#8221;, G.H. Clarke&#8217;s &#8220;Determinism, Brain Function and Free Will&#8221;, for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9829</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t believe that random interactions of chemicals in a bio-electric 
brain can generate a phenomenological conscious experience&quot;

Why must they be random? Wouldn&#039;t they be ordered by evolution or design of the system?

&quot;No experiment has ever demonstrated that new properties of a system can
 emerge that did not already exist as part of the components of a 
system.&quot;

Do the properties of water exist in either hydrogen or oxygen by themselves?

This post overlapped with several concepts from my religious beliefs:

LDS doctrine is that all men existed as intelligences eternally. That God organized/created/begot (not clear) them (the eternal intelligences) into spirits, hence we are his spirit children. Those spirits had agency (free will) but were different from our physical bodies (not clear how, perhaps couldn&#039;t die, perhaps couldn&#039;t feel). After a time of progression God proposed a plan to bring his spirit children into a mortal physical existence here on earth so that they could continue to learn and be tested while receive a mortal physical body in preparation to receive an immortal exalted physical body like he has.

Feel free to learn more at http://lds.org

Abr. 3:22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was

D&amp;C 93:29 Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
D&amp;C 93:30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t believe that random interactions of chemicals in a bio-electric<br />
brain can generate a phenomenological conscious experience&#8221;</p>
<p>Why must they be random? Wouldn&#8217;t they be ordered by evolution or design of the system?</p>
<p>&#8220;No experiment has ever demonstrated that new properties of a system can<br />
 emerge that did not already exist as part of the components of a<br />
system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do the properties of water exist in either hydrogen or oxygen by themselves?</p>
<p>This post overlapped with several concepts from my religious beliefs:</p>
<p>LDS doctrine is that all men existed as intelligences eternally. That God organized/created/begot (not clear) them (the eternal intelligences) into spirits, hence we are his spirit children. Those spirits had agency (free will) but were different from our physical bodies (not clear how, perhaps couldn&#8217;t die, perhaps couldn&#8217;t feel). After a time of progression God proposed a plan to bring his spirit children into a mortal physical existence here on earth so that they could continue to learn and be tested while receive a mortal physical body in preparation to receive an immortal exalted physical body like he has.</p>
<p>Feel free to learn more at <a href="http://lds.org" rel="nofollow">http://lds.org</a></p>
<p>Abr. 3:22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was</p>
<p>D&amp;C 93:29 Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.<br />
D&amp;C 93:30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Mbmurray4</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mbmurray4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is impossible to take yourself out of the experience of having a freewill.  I know if I am deterministic that whether or not we are going to convince each other of having a freewill or not is determinable... but that is not going to stop me from making this argument.  when i sit around doing nothing, taking drugs, going around harming others i don&#039;t feel satisfied with my life.  when I am acting in the interest of others, when I am exhibiting my values and principles that I have acquired thoughout my life, and when I am working hard towards things that I am passionate,,,, that is when I go to sleep with a smile on my face.  when I am living in a ME centered, simple please based, and not contributing to society I am not fulfilled and become depressed.  I think for the most part all humans are hardwired this way whether they have figured it out yet or not.  Because this idea has proven to be the most beneficial in my life &quot;I&quot;tend to follow it.  Maybe age and hearing other ideas or living out this idea may impact my brain in such a way where I do not find fulfillment. and i will start to behave based on different principles. I do not know.  I feel like I am making the decisions... but its really all my previous thoughts (previous firings in my brain), my genes, what I ate today, and current environment that are dictating my every move.  

Once you grasp this idea... you can really change your life if you want to. because when you want to change &quot;you&quot; will start surrounding yourself in the environment that will help you get there, you will regulate the thoughts flowing through your head, and challenge yourself in ways that cause for the most mental growth.  The brain truly is what it does.  Think love be love.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is impossible to take yourself out of the experience of having a freewill.  I know if I am deterministic that whether or not we are going to convince each other of having a freewill or not is determinable&#8230; but that is not going to stop me from making this argument.  when i sit around doing nothing, taking drugs, going around harming others i don&#8217;t feel satisfied with my life.  when I am acting in the interest of others, when I am exhibiting my values and principles that I have acquired thoughout my life, and when I am working hard towards things that I am passionate,,,, that is when I go to sleep with a smile on my face.  when I am living in a ME centered, simple please based, and not contributing to society I am not fulfilled and become depressed.  I think for the most part all humans are hardwired this way whether they have figured it out yet or not.  Because this idea has proven to be the most beneficial in my life &#8220;I&#8221;tend to follow it.  Maybe age and hearing other ideas or living out this idea may impact my brain in such a way where I do not find fulfillment. and i will start to behave based on different principles. I do not know.  I feel like I am making the decisions&#8230; but its really all my previous thoughts (previous firings in my brain), my genes, what I ate today, and current environment that are dictating my every move.  </p>
<p>Once you grasp this idea&#8230; you can really change your life if you want to. because when you want to change &#8220;you&#8221; will start surrounding yourself in the environment that will help you get there, you will regulate the thoughts flowing through your head, and challenge yourself in ways that cause for the most mental growth.  The brain truly is what it does.  Think love be love.  </p>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there was a button I could press, causing the entirety of existence to rewind the equivalent of one earth hour, would anything change the second time around?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a button I could press, causing the entirety of existence to rewind the equivalent of one earth hour, would anything change the second time around?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9747</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It matters because if consciousness is truly deterministic, then all laws against everything are immoral since no one is ultimately responsible for their own actions. Even anarcho-capitalist private law would be immoral.

It depends on what a useful conception of responsibility is. I find application of social correction or removal from society to be more useful conceptions of responsibility and fault than a holier than thou/purity stance. Laws are useful inasmuch as they codify prevailing taboos so people can more easily judge others as needing correction without all the facts.

If consciousness is deterministic, then it really doesn&#039;t matter what you promote because you will not impact anyone who is not already pre-determined to become a libertarian.

People are impacted by inputs, it&#039;s just that everything is going to play out a certain way. I was impacted by your post to respond, it&#039;s just that series of events was set in motion for as long as time has existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It matters because if consciousness is truly deterministic, then all laws against everything are immoral since no one is ultimately responsible for their own actions. Even anarcho-capitalist private law would be immoral.</p>
<p>It depends on what a useful conception of responsibility is. I find application of social correction or removal from society to be more useful conceptions of responsibility and fault than a holier than thou/purity stance. Laws are useful inasmuch as they codify prevailing taboos so people can more easily judge others as needing correction without all the facts.</p>
<p>If consciousness is deterministic, then it really doesn&#8217;t matter what you promote because you will not impact anyone who is not already pre-determined to become a libertarian.</p>
<p>People are impacted by inputs, it&#8217;s just that everything is going to play out a certain way. I was impacted by your post to respond, it&#8217;s just that series of events was set in motion for as long as time has existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mbmurray4</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9742</link>
		<dc:creator>Mbmurray4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well just because you may find determinism depressing doesn&#039;t mean that it isn&#039;t true...  all i am saying is that it doesn&#039;t have to be depressing. and i don&#039;t think either of your arguments will necessarily be the case if humans catch on to this idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well just because you may find determinism depressing doesn&#8217;t mean that it isn&#8217;t true&#8230;  all i am saying is that it doesn&#8217;t have to be depressing. and i don&#8217;t think either of your arguments will necessarily be the case if humans catch on to this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9735</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If consciousness is deterministic, then it really doesn&#039;t matter what you promote because you will not impact anyone who is not already pre-determined to become a libertarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If consciousness is deterministic, then it really doesn&#8217;t matter what you promote because you will not impact anyone who is not already pre-determined to become a libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Suede</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9734</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Suede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It matters because if consciousness is truly deterministic, then all laws against everything are immoral since no one is ultimately responsible for their own actions.  Even anarcho-capitalist private law would be immoral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It matters because if consciousness is truly deterministic, then all laws against everything are immoral since no one is ultimately responsible for their own actions.  Even anarcho-capitalist private law would be immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Mbmurray4</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/11/30/free-will-vs-determinism/#comment-9732</link>
		<dc:creator>Mbmurray4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I apologize in advance for the poor grammar and confused sentences... how embarrassing...  also, I want to mention that my understanding of determinism and the brain make me want to promote freedom more.  I see more inhibition to our freedom negatively impacting our ability to obtain satisfaction with our lives and limiting how great our society can be.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize in advance for the poor grammar and confused sentences&#8230; how embarrassing&#8230;  also, I want to mention that my understanding of determinism and the brain make me want to promote freedom more.  I see more inhibition to our freedom negatively impacting our ability to obtain satisfaction with our lives and limiting how great our society can be.   </p>
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