I Don’t Believe In Magic

Would you agree with me that no matter how many blue objects you might have, you’ll never be able to put them together in such a way as to create a red object?

Would you agree with me that no matter how many perfectly circular objects you have, you’ll never be able to arrange them in such a way as to create a perfectly square object?

Would you agree with me that the properties of any system must be derived from the properties of its component parts?

Would you agree with me that rocks are not conscious entities?

Would you agree with me that all the elements of the periodic table are not conscious entities?

Would you agree with me that every physical object in the universe is composed of non-conscious elements?

Would you agree with me that no matter how advanced a computer might be, and no matter how incredible its artificial intelligence programming may be, a computer will never be able to “experience” hot/cold/pleasure/pain etc.. the way an animal does?  (I’m not talking about reacting the way an animal does, but rather experiencing it the way a animal does.)

What is awareness / experience?  What is it composed of?  atoms?  molecules?  physical bits of matter?  Do physical bits of matter constitute your “experience?”

Do you believe that consciousness is composed of matter?

I don’t – because I don’t believe in magic, nor do I believe that “emergence” is a rational explanation for conscious awareness.

 “Although strong emergence is logically possible, it is uncomfortably like magic. How does an irreducible but supervenient downward causal power arise, since by definition it cannot be due to the aggregation of the micro-level potentialities? Such causal powers would be quite unlike anything within our scientific ken. This not only indicates how they will discomfort reasonable forms of materialism. Their mysteriousness will only heighten the traditional worry that emergence entails illegitimately getting something from nothing.”(Bedau 1997)

  • Deliberatus

    If I am sentient…
    Are my atoms therefore sentient?
    If not, this system has properties NOT derived from my component party’s properties.

    I am alive, but my atoms are not.

    My Quaker parrots have green feathers; they have a limited number of colbalt blue flight feathers also. These use parallel bars of molecules spaced at visible light wavelengths to refine which wavelength they will reflect. This makes their floors rather iridescent looking. Those molecules are NOT a green or blue substance.

    This article is superficial and fundamentally flawed.

  • Drgizmo

    lets ponder string theory, vibration, twisting of the plasma, and similarly twisting dna…life is motion, but is motion life, … the force, the life force, that moves and twists … all, plasma … both types…caused by the same force…vibration, maybe life is a god singing …I don’t know just a thought,